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in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >> not only was this unbelievably devicive in a country that likes to think of itself as one country, but it was critically important that it was caught on surruptious video. if this is something he had said in public, it would have been a big gaffe, but not as big as seeing it on that video where the voter is thinking ah-ha, now i'm seeing the real mitt romney, not one in the imagining. >> and not just that, the setting, that he was speaking to wealthy donors who he could be candid with. it was like the true mitt romney talking to his people in this setting. just so illustrative of
in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >>...
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so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down. >> let's start with the first part. if it's a legitimate rape? what did that mean? >> what it meant was absolutely unjustifiable. and it was the reason, the potential for todd aiken to go off the reservation and prepare to hit him on. it shows why democrats wanted him to be the nominee to the point where they advertise democratic super pacts in his primary for the republican nomination to run against claire mccaskell to say todd aken is too conservative. he is opposed to abortion. hey, this sounds like our kind of guy. >> you know, canadian
so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the...
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>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims.
>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's...
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and that elections assistance commission would go a long way. would be a clearing house for some of the best practices in this nation to continue to drive the polls, that voting should be for everybody, not a select few. and we really need to make sure that the federal government uses the tools that have in their tool box and not idly sit by and let things happen in the state and across the country. >> in your state of ohio, republicans unfairly targeted minority and low income areas with voter suppression tactics that is well documented. >> yes. >> but if this law were to pass, the line act that senator boxer has put in place, would this really clear up the problems you saw in 2012? >> i think somewhat, ed, and i commend senator barbara boxer for standing up for all voters in this country. but ultimately, voters hold the key. and voters have got to continue to vote for policymakers and executives who respect the power of the vote, and not those who try to suppress it. so even though the feds need to do their job, senator boxer, i give a big sho
and that elections assistance commission would go a long way. would be a clearing house for some of the best practices in this nation to continue to drive the polls, that voting should be for everybody, not a select few. and we really need to make sure that the federal government uses the tools that have in their tool box and not idly sit by and let things happen in the state and across the country. >> in your state of ohio, republicans unfairly targeted minority and low income areas with...
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on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried. they trooid really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look at, for example, todd akin. >> yeah. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch who we should also take a look at. >> i think even when life begins in that horrible situation in rape, that it is something that god intend
on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald...
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this is part of the story of the 2012 election and maybe the never several elections. sam wang had an accurate forecasting model. he sent us a cartoon rather than a chart. he weighed in on the attacks being launched as people like us who are using data to talk about the election. it says quote, breaking, to surprise a sun dit the best system for determining which of two things is wiser. we posted these charts and a bunch of others. i'll tweet a link to them. that does it for tonight. and now it is time for the last word. have a good night. >> the house of representatives. has known for over a year that it has a monday night deadline for avoiding the fiscal cliff. so when are they going to start working on that? sunday night. >> stalemate gridlock joorks this is what the holidays look like. >> there is so much manure around here. >> this isn't school house rock. >> the fiscal cliff. whatever. >> there is barely 00 hours. >> the last minute was before christmas. >> what is going on here? is. >> how come there is no sense of urgency. >> the entire house coming back sunday
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r more interested in being right than in doing the the right thing and representing the people who elected you. >> reporter: mary snow, cnn, new york. >>> i'm joe johns. thanks for joining us. cnn newsroom continues now with ashlee banfield. >> we went over the fiscal cliff. yep at midnight and then just a couple hours later, the senate came up with a solution. now it's off to the house. the house has to sign off. they will get back to work this afternoon. what's in the deal? well, it starts with the new income tax threshold. those folks agreed to let the taxes go up but only on the family who is make over $450,000 in combined income. the itemized deductions will also be capped at $300,000 for families. and the estate tax, that was a big sticking point for lawmakers, and now the tax rate goes up to 40% for estates that are valued over $5 million. so if you're under $5 million, you skated there too. other key points are an extension of the long-term unemployment benefits. the renewal of tuition and child care tax credits and then something called the doc fix. it reimburses doctors who take
r more interested in being right than in doing the the right thing and representing the people who elected you. >> reporter: mary snow, cnn, new york. >>> i'm joe johns. thanks for joining us. cnn newsroom continues now with ashlee banfield. >> we went over the fiscal cliff. yep at midnight and then just a couple hours later, the senate came up with a solution. now it's off to the house. the house has to sign off. they will get back to work this afternoon. what's in the...
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which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how absurd this is. we've been seeing poll after poll after poll showing the american people, if the country goes over the cliff, would is to blame? the republicans get the majority of the blame. speaker boehner and his plan b could not even get the republicans in his caucus to pass a tax increase on people making $1 million when we already know through november election and through subsequent public opinion polls, the american people are perfectly fine with raising taxes on people earning incomes of $250,000 and above. so the idea that the republican party can't -- i mean, i should say s
which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how...
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you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >> before we go, do you think there is a chance that scott brown won't run? >> he is waiting in the wings if scott brown doesn't run? >> he ran for governor of new york and more power to him if he he can pull it off but national republicans and the money thinks he has the best shot. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, our final update or the year. on the kind fund. i'll read some of the comments that you have left about it. in the rewrite tonight i can understand why the guys in the vatican are so wrong about marriage. so if it fair that we expect them to understand the first think about
you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >>...
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when the election ended. the demand for $250,000, as of december, now we're going to end up almost double that. all the leverage he had with the election victory, and ended up doubling, i think was discouraging. what really bothered them was there was no debt ceiling, there is no debt ceiling fix in this agreement. and again, that is something that right after the election and well into december obama said he was going to insist on a permanent end to the debt ceiling. that was going to be part of this deal. he insisted on it. he backed off and indicated through the negotiations that he would be okay with a two-year patch. and now it is not even in there at all. it is very clear we'll have a showdown similar to this in about a month when we hit the debt expiration, except in a month, republicans will -- excuse me, democrats and obama will not have the kind of leverage that the automatic expiration that the bush tax cuts gave them. it is a discouragement that they can be em boldened, how they can move president
when the election ended. the demand for $250,000, as of december, now we're going to end up almost double that. all the leverage he had with the election victory, and ended up doubling, i think was discouraging. what really bothered them was there was no debt ceiling, there is no debt ceiling fix in this agreement. and again, that is something that right after the election and well into december obama said he was going to insist on a permanent end to the debt ceiling. that was going to be part...
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so do republicans want immigration reform before the next election? do they want to dig out of the hole they're in with hispanic voters? so there is some mutual interest. i think that gun fight is going to be very difficult but i think that's something that we're going to see, if it doesn't happen this year it may happen the next year or the year after. it is just something that i think the president will want to leave office having achieved. so nothing is going to be easy. we'll have very many brinks, you know, and a lot of fighting over principles which is not a bad thing but i think ultimately a lot of these issues will be addressed. >> david, sequestration was pushed off for two months meaning we'll have to have this fight all over again in a few short weeks. if that's the case how long will president obama realistically have to deal with gun control and immigration not to mention his plans for infrastructure and even green energy? >> that's the problem. if you remember, right after the election, after latinos came out and overwhelming numbers to
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he'll be re-elected to speaker. but what ryan got to was this really interesting sort of tug and pull on -- within the republican conference right now. there is this effort to be as conservative as possible on every single possible vote. and even the guys who are going to vote for the compromise package and try to get a deal done when the vote comes up today, if they have opportunities to vote on amendments that make things more conservative, they're going to take that opportunity, which means that this thing, there is a real risk of this bill being kicked back into the senate and us having to go through this whole thing once again. so that is sort of tug and pull between the conservative faction here not only in the house of representatives but also in sort of the interest group community that spends so much money and pays so much attention to republican primaries is pulling a lot of members, even those who would work toward the compromise a little toward the right especially in this amendment process. >> right. an
he'll be re-elected to speaker. but what ryan got to was this really interesting sort of tug and pull on -- within the republican conference right now. there is this effort to be as conservative as possible on every single possible vote. and even the guys who are going to vote for the compromise package and try to get a deal done when the vote comes up today, if they have opportunities to vote on amendments that make things more conservative, they're going to take that opportunity, which means...
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it was very clear after the election -- remember, the day after the election, john boehner appeared in the capitol and said i'm willing to deal with the president, i want to compromise. we will agree to raise revenues. but he didn't agree to raise tax rates, that is a nonstarter among republicans in the house of representatives. he was fryitrying to get out ah of this political tsunami coming his way. he knew because the president was talking about it during the entire campaign season that the president was going to stick to his commitment to raise rates on those making more than $250,000. the president, much to the dismay of many on the left, has given considerably on that point the numbers 450,000 in annual income respectively. but still that is not something house republicans will vote for, no matter what the income level is. and we saw that when the speaker's plan b set at $1 million crashed and burned. what they will do, they will tell members this is the best deal we'll get now, and essentially this is a jam job. the president has come out, we had the campaign style event, he eve
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. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him. why not fight against him because that's good for them? >> well, i tell you what. guys like john boehner see that and they see a trend where their base shrinks and gets smaller and smaller and smaller. eventually they will be the minority party. they don't want that to happen. they can look at the polls and where it says most of the country favors raising taxes on the rich and the positions that obama was pushing during the campaign, otherwise he wouldn't have won. they know it's a problem and don't want to be relegated to the party of white guys in the south. >> th
. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him....
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i wrote about this two days after the election. what the president has done is take a battlefield victory and pursued the enemy in the woods and routed them. the advisers know that john boehner could not, cannot, would not pass a bill in the house of representatives to raise tax rates. john boehner came out the day after the election and tried to preempt that. he knew it was coming and trying to raise revenues closing loopholes. we won't raise tax rates, however. the president has compromised. he's gone from 250 to 400. he's changed some other things. he put the social security benefit reductions on the table. the so-called chain cpi and they knew all along -- i don't know if this was third intention or overt thinking but they're very smart people and no wriggle room, no flexibility for john boehner and pressing him, the party was going to explode ear and parentally that's what's happening in the house of representatives. >> peter, my friend chris krueger had a fun if not me l melancholy quote saying we expect obama will reveal a n
i wrote about this two days after the election. what the president has done is take a battlefield victory and pursued the enemy in the woods and routed them. the advisers know that john boehner could not, cannot, would not pass a bill in the house of representatives to raise tax rates. john boehner came out the day after the election and tried to preempt that. he knew it was coming and trying to raise revenues closing loopholes. we won't raise tax rates, however. the president has compromised....
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are the big questions that have been raised today that we have been raising, a number of us, with our elected leaders. they have been working to try to find a path that will address those. >> on those points, we seem to know, basically, what the deal is on the fairness question, what you're talking about, $450,000, that's the threshold. if you're making $450,000 or less and filing as a couple, you're not going to see any tax increases. is that good enough, is that fair for you? >> well, we're going to see a 2% raise for those at the bottom and a fraction of a percent for those at the top. that's quite a differential. there's been some discussions around that. we'll hear what our leader has to say in a few minutes. >> if it's $450,000, everybody below that is not going to get a tax increase, will you vote for it. >> >> tthe people below will ge tax increase. >> that was always just a one year stimulus. that was not a permanent arrangement. >> it's one of the changes that was looked at. it was one year ago, we renewed it for a year. again, it's an overall perception of if it's fair to working p
are the big questions that have been raised today that we have been raising, a number of us, with our elected leaders. they have been working to try to find a path that will address those. >> on those points, we seem to know, basically, what the deal is on the fairness question, what you're talking about, $450,000, that's the threshold. if you're making $450,000 or less and filing as a couple, you're not going to see any tax increases. is that good enough, is that fair for you? >>...
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i know house republicans say we were re-elected to you do you think winning the presidential election has a certain force to it maybe he feels overrides that. >> it was. it was good, solid win. 47, 48% of the country didn't agree with him. so that's not a small little number of differing opinions. >> that's true. and i think the president actually is complicit in our permanent state of cliffitis. we are going to have a tiny patch, not going to have a real deal that solves our problems. we're going into another fight. the world has been waiting for a year and a half for us to solve our first debt deal. it fell apart. waiting on a second one. we're going to rattle the global markets, tell our enemies we're cutting our military. we are telling everyone we're paralyzed. he's going to be complicit in that. it's not good for him to go into his second term the beginning of it, without the ability to go on to move on to clean fights. we're always at the cliff, always at the precipes of default and the inability to deal with entitlements to really give on -- and move to the center, on the side
i know house republicans say we were re-elected to you do you think winning the presidential election has a certain force to it maybe he feels overrides that. >> it was. it was good, solid win. 47, 48% of the country didn't agree with him. so that's not a small little number of differing opinions. >> that's true. and i think the president actually is complicit in our permanent state of cliffitis. we are going to have a tiny patch, not going to have a real deal that solves our...
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he has not only been elected to the senate, he has had executive appointments, people forget he was the number two at the veterans administration in the reagan years when i was there. the other is he has shown battlefield cure rams you know, he has won the purple heart. he is also shown bureaucratic courage because he resigned from theed very veterans administration as a comparatively young man when the head of the veterans administration was saying agent orange is sort of like acting. what an insult to the people who served. so he stepped aside. he is the head of the president's foreign intelligence advisory board and more important, defense -- running defense a big management job. he has been very successful in the private sector. >> it is indeed. dr. larry korb, worth the wait, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >>> up next, more on the fiscal cliff, lawmakers have hit a major snag in the negotiations and we are just two days before the deadline. [ female announcer ] want younger looking eyes that say wow with olay, here's how. new regenerist eye and lash duo th
he has not only been elected to the senate, he has had executive appointments, people forget he was the number two at the veterans administration in the reagan years when i was there. the other is he has shown battlefield cure rams you know, he has won the purple heart. he is also shown bureaucratic courage because he resigned from theed very veterans administration as a comparatively young man when the head of the veterans administration was saying agent orange is sort of like acting. what an...
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>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she brings to the economic debate because i think that's still going to be a debate in the next election. jobs. how to grow, how to get the country back on track. it will be really interesting to see where it comes off. >> i have you as a feminist, everybody is a feminist right now. it's a good position to be in politically. do you think she will have an unusually high draw among women voters? and that's maybe a dumb question, but could she get up to 65% or 70% of the women voters as opposed to 55%. >> that would be a high number. if anybody can do it, she can. i see her having tremendous strength there, and that's a demog
>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she...
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anybody worried about losing in a november election in the mid terms? they're actually more likely to support this bill. but there aren't many of those guys and gals left. >> all right. chuck todd, stay with us if you can. let's go to nbc's john harwood who has been covering the story for a very long time for us. bring your view, john, if you will, of this deal as we understand it. >> milissa, i think the deal is going to pass the senate. i think speaker boehner will allow to it come to a vote in the house. i think it will pass the house and go to the president for his signature. i just spoke to one participant in the negotiations who said we hate this was a democrat saying we hate this. but i still i think it's better than nothing. and that suggests you hit the sweet spot. if you have the president's party hating it, conservatives in the republican party hating it, but thinking it's better than the alternative, that's how you bridge a gap between two parties that are very far apart. democrats ultimately gave in on the issue of the estate tax, which was
anybody worried about losing in a november election in the mid terms? they're actually more likely to support this bill. but there aren't many of those guys and gals left. >> all right. chuck todd, stay with us if you can. let's go to nbc's john harwood who has been covering the story for a very long time for us. bring your view, john, if you will, of this deal as we understand it. >> milissa, i think the deal is going to pass the senate. i think speaker boehner will allow to it...
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democrats won the election. but what's weird is at the elite level and the elite level matters in politics. the elite level gets through to politicians in between elections. at the elite level you've got folks in the media, powerful ceos, people who run interest folks, and a lot of these folks, they want to keep up relations on both sides of the aisle, and so they find it safer to blame both sides for not coming together than to blame one side for not allowing any coming together. >> the battle over how to avoid going over the fiscal cliff ramped up today as both sides were long on rhetoric and threats but short on actual movement. >> i think both sides deserve some blame here. >> chris, i'm not certain there's not politics on both sides. >> again, i thinks there's intransigence on both sides. >> with all respect it seems like both sides seem to be we're waiting for them, we're waiting for, this we're waiting for, that but the fact is nothing ever gets done. >> blaming both sides instead of pointing fingers when
democrats won the election. but what's weird is at the elite level and the elite level matters in politics. the elite level gets through to politicians in between elections. at the elite level you've got folks in the media, powerful ceos, people who run interest folks, and a lot of these folks, they want to keep up relations on both sides of the aisle, and so they find it safer to blame both sides for not coming together than to blame one side for not allowing any coming together. >> the...
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do you think there is any worry that he may not be elected speaker on the first ballot come that election at the beginning of the year? >> there is no worry. he had the complete support of everybody for plan b and has the support for speakership for most of the members that were opposed. this was a debate and discussion and not over his leadership. honestly not for two years, but for four. >> four more years for john boehner. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> house democrats have spent the past two years on the sidelines of major policy decisions. if a fiscal cliff vote happened before january 1st, you could have a major influence on the nation's economic future. democratic congressman john yarmouth served and a lonely planet and ranked the number one city in america. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank, luke. come any time. >> i will ask you, are you surprised that you are in washington, d.c. today or you are not in washington, d.c. today and do you have plans on traveling back? >> i'm very surprise and no, i'm not going to come back unless there is a reason to. we have a big bask
do you think there is any worry that he may not be elected speaker on the first ballot come that election at the beginning of the year? >> there is no worry. he had the complete support of everybody for plan b and has the support for speakership for most of the members that were opposed. this was a debate and discussion and not over his leadership. honestly not for two years, but for four. >> four more years for john boehner. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> house...
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we had an election where this was the front and center issue in our presidential election. and yet still we can't solve this issue. so remember when moodies downgraded us? they downgraded us, because they said our political system wasn't working and they didn't trust folks in washington to fix the economy. that's another -- this is another example of that, and i think people around the world look at it, and they just shake their heads and they don't understand why politics in washington is not working. we can go into the reasons and who's to blame for that, that's what we're left with as we face this deadline tomorrow night? >> we're all to blame, because we all put up with this every single time. thank you, thank you, ryan. appreciate it. >> thanks, don, good to see you. >> good to see you as well. >>> we're watching two major stories for you tonight. one, the health of secretary of state hillary clinton. she's in the hospital right now with a blood clot. we've been talking about the fiscal cliff, as you heard, as you heard ryan hlizza say, there's no agreement yet, and no
we had an election where this was the front and center issue in our presidential election. and yet still we can't solve this issue. so remember when moodies downgraded us? they downgraded us, because they said our political system wasn't working and they didn't trust folks in washington to fix the economy. that's another -- this is another example of that, and i think people around the world look at it, and they just shake their heads and they don't understand why politics in washington is not...
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he's going to get re-elected house speaker and not have the authority to do the job he's been given. john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about going over the fiscal cliff at this point? >> i don't actually buy this argument that people are happy going over the fiscal cliff. they can see how damaging it is politically. they also are looking forward to the next fight about the debt ceiling, which is going to be even more damaging. so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they'r
he's going to get re-elected house speaker and not have the authority to do the job he's been given. john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good...
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if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is you can't get any of this through the house. if you think you can, then you're smoking something terrible that's probably illegal. and here's the problem. if you want -- if you really -- if the president really and truly wants to get gun control or gun safety as i like to call it through both chambers, bring the parents, bring the living children from sandy hook elementary to the capitol. the safest building in the country, by the way, after 9/11 and after that guy that came out and shot two capitol police officers. bring them into the capitol and say look those kids in the eyes and say tell them you're want going to do it. the best way to get something through congress is to guilt members of congress. it only works that way. the senate will do something. >> but like the president -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, i think it's important and smart, though, to note that the president is not just out there saying we need to do gun kreel. quite to the opposite. he
if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is you can't get any of this through the house. if you think you can, then you're smoking something terrible that's probably illegal. and here's the problem. if you want -- if you really -- if the president really and truly wants to get gun control or gun safety as i like to call it through both chambers, bring the parents, bring the living children from sandy hook elementary to the capitol. the safest building in the country, by the way, after 9/11 and...
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mitch mcconnell, up for re-election. will he craft a deal with harry reid? that's dicey. whatever bill is passed, may not be that popular. raising tax rates and probably cut back on benefits so, remains to be seen if they can get 60 in the senate and 218 in the house. but boehner may have to put that senate pass bill of the 250,000 obama plan, he says that doesn't have the votes topaz the house. he may have to prove that. >> real quickly i want to shift gears here and talk about chuck hagel and the potential of him being put up to the cabinet level position of secretary of defense. and getting criticism from the left and the right, chuck schumer declining to endorse him yesterday on meet the press. i want to play for everybody what andrea mitchell also said on "meet the press." >> this white house cannot continue to float trial balloons and then not have them shot down. the president can't perceived to being rolled by opponents. the problem of chuck hagel with support in the foreign policy community is shot at from the left and the right. >> i want to put it to you, both.
mitch mcconnell, up for re-election. will he craft a deal with harry reid? that's dicey. whatever bill is passed, may not be that popular. raising tax rates and probably cut back on benefits so, remains to be seen if they can get 60 in the senate and 218 in the house. but boehner may have to put that senate pass bill of the 250,000 obama plan, he says that doesn't have the votes topaz the house. he may have to prove that. >> real quickly i want to shift gears here and talk about chuck...
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you elected to the senate in 2010. you haven't been there all that long. certainly compared to everyone else there. are you surprised, amazed? what is your read-out that we are where we are on this? i'm looking at the clock. 10:47:50. the fact that we have a countdown clock for something that has been months in the making, what does it say about the senate and the house and congress's ability to tackle big issues, and if the american people are skeptical about that very thing, do they have a right to be? >> yes. absolutely. the folks who i hear from, delawareans who are calling me, e-mailing me, sending me responses to a position paper, a white paper that i put out on the fiscal cliff weeks ago, uniformly say why can't you all get along? why can't you reach a reasonable compromise? delaware's political culture is one where we pass balanced budgeted on time every year at the city, county, and state level. unlike many other states where they have months and months of wrangling passed their constitutional deadlines. ours is a representative system. the house
you elected to the senate in 2010. you haven't been there all that long. certainly compared to everyone else there. are you surprised, amazed? what is your read-out that we are where we are on this? i'm looking at the clock. 10:47:50. the fact that we have a countdown clock for something that has been months in the making, what does it say about the senate and the house and congress's ability to tackle big issues, and if the american people are skeptical about that very thing, do they have a...
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we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're going to have to give. that message has not resonated too much with house republicans specifically here in washington, d.c. they're negotiating very hard until the end because that has been their tactic in every single one of these fights with president obama. from talking to republicans, they don't think that president obama is a good negotiator. one of them told me earlier he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. that's why biden is here on capitol hill. so with that mindset, they're moving forward in these talks and they're more than happy to h
we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're...
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our elected officials and the president are supposed to be defenders of the second amendment. there's defenders of the constitution. not a lobbying group, but it's the lobbyists who have our government by the throats, not the voters, the lobbyists. you're seeing politicians make decisions based on what they think the money is going to say. the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. a res, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mar
our elected officials and the president are supposed to be defenders of the second amendment. there's defenders of the constitution. not a lobbying group, but it's the lobbyists who have our government by the throats, not the voters, the lobbyists. you're seeing politicians make decisions based on what they think the money is going to say. the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now,...
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up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept the way they are. compare that to a year ago when only 43% wanted to see stricter laws. it's worth remembering, however, that support for tougher laws often spikes and then fades after mass shootings. of course, the nra always stands in the way of any new or reviewed restrictions, but, of course, we all know that. and we'll be right back. that support for tougher laws that support for tougher laws [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine yo
up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept...
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brats who are more interested in being right than doing the right thing and representing the people who elected you. >> mary snow, cnn, new york. >> more interesting, being right than doing the right thing for your country. cnn's coverage of the fiscal cliff continues right after this.
brats who are more interested in being right than doing the right thing and representing the people who elected you. >> mary snow, cnn, new york. >> more interesting, being right than doing the right thing for your country. cnn's coverage of the fiscal cliff continues right after this.
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they've had a brain freeze since the election. they have no strategy. you don't know what they want and they haven't decided what they want. >> with us now from washington at 35 past the hour, the chief white house correspondent for "politi "politico," mike allen who's here with "the politico playbook," also, cnbc washington reporter eamon javers. we'll start with mike. mike, you have some reason for optimism with some new headlines from the republicans this morning. what is it? >> well, happy new year's eve, mika, and we do. the story line for today will be will vice president biden swoop on to fantasy island and turn it into reality island? and there was some sign that that's going to happen. republicans are embracing the new involvement of vice president biden as an excuse to do things they haven't been willing to do before. so, the way "politico" is describing it is vice president biden is playing good cop to harry reid's bad cop. i'm told by republican aides that leader mcconnell and vice president biden talked by phone until midnight. their aides
they've had a brain freeze since the election. they have no strategy. you don't know what they want and they haven't decided what they want. >> with us now from washington at 35 past the hour, the chief white house correspondent for "politi "politico," mike allen who's here with "the politico playbook," also, cnbc washington reporter eamon javers. we'll start with mike. mike, you have some reason for optimism with some new headlines from the republicans this...
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it was called the election. the president couldn't have been clearer, and the reality is that there are lots of people in the congress, especially in the house, the republican caucus, who just don't respect the fact that the president won talking about these very issues, saying that we needed to take a balanced approach as a country, that we needed to country with the cuts, and we've done over a trillion cuts already. the president has said he'd do another $1.2 trillion in cuts but he also believes higher income individuals should pay a little more so we don't ask folks on medicare with a median income of $22,000 to see a big increase in their burden. i would just encourage you and everybody in the media, too, because it is easy to point fingers -- >> i'm not pointing fingers here. i think we're trying to just get to some answers here. and i understand what you're saying about, you know, people won't accept the outcome of the election. i get that. but the people in washington who the president is fighting agains
it was called the election. the president couldn't have been clearer, and the reality is that there are lots of people in the congress, especially in the house, the republican caucus, who just don't respect the fact that the president won talking about these very issues, saying that we needed to take a balanced approach as a country, that we needed to country with the cuts, and we've done over a trillion cuts already. the president has said he'd do another $1.2 trillion in cuts but he also...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent. and yes, numbers geeks, not a real number. but he seems really tired of working with these people. but there is a way in which congress, and particularly congressional republicans may actually be helping president obama out right now. everybody's always known two things about the cliff. you're almost certainly going to get more taxes in a deal after you go over than in a deal before you go over it. that's because after you go over the cliff, taxes already go up for everybody. so anything you do, any reasonable deal congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the f
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent....
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obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own proposal. mr. president, the house, we hear this so often, is controlled by the republicans, and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that they would support and boehner would support it if it were reasonable, but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know, and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very curious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. what's going on here? mr. president, you can't
obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own...
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we have been negotiating this six weeks, since the election. the president, when i talk to my republican sources say, look, the president hasn't put anything serious on the table still on spending cuts, ron. i think that's, you're right urkts bo, both sides have to give a little bit here, i haven't seen much give on the democrats' side of the aisle here. >> the inability to comp prom my keith stone to democrat circumstance todd, why don't you weigh in on this. what is your feelings with what has to be dealt with by not just this congress but 1913th congress, numerology could worry you a little bit. >> stephen hit the nail on the head, talk about the spending cuts, that actually is not even in existence right now you right now you the top line issue has been about tax revenues and increasing those tax and who it is going to him. realistically though, those spending cut russ critical because, like you said i martin, a debt ceiling of $16.3 trillion right now and you have to cut back, the big issue, what makes all of this so complicated is that if
we have been negotiating this six weeks, since the election. the president, when i talk to my republican sources say, look, the president hasn't put anything serious on the table still on spending cuts, ron. i think that's, you're right urkts bo, both sides have to give a little bit here, i haven't seen much give on the democrats' side of the aisle here. >> the inability to comp prom my keith stone to democrat circumstance todd, why don't you weigh in on this. what is your feelings with...
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tell them we're strong, the white house, we were re-elected. you go home. you go home and deal with it because this is out of control and nobody's angry enough to realize it. >> you're angry enough. >> i'm alone. >> no, you're not. >> michael shear's not angry. he's measured and i understand that and we're playing different roles sometimes but if you're a reporter and following this and following this for a year or two, some point you have to say this is insanity and the threat to the economy is not a reasonable way to govern. >> mike, how -- again, not to oversimplify this thing, but how did we get here? i think most folks following this fairly closely assumed that as is the case with a lot of things in washington, d.c. that at the 11th hour withere will ba deal that gets done. there are a lot of folks involved in the deal making saying, it won't happen this time. >> well, look. i think ari is right in one real respect which is they set this up, you know, more than a year ago as a way of trying to provide counter pressure to the political pressures that ex
tell them we're strong, the white house, we were re-elected. you go home. you go home and deal with it because this is out of control and nobody's angry enough to realize it. >> you're angry enough. >> i'm alone. >> no, you're not. >> michael shear's not angry. he's measured and i understand that and we're playing different roles sometimes but if you're a reporter and following this and following this for a year or two, some point you have to say this is insanity and the...
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but let's understand, we just had an election, and the president got re-elected for the second time. which says that a majority of the american people are not swayed nor influenced by that sort of sick and sadistic thinking. what i prefer to focus on is not simply that, but the underlying disparities, the previous segment on violence, and the need for jobs for young men of color and people of all colors, in urban communities. which is, i think, the more appropriate thing for us to discuss when we talk about how to address that. he's got a right to be a damned fool. >> well, damned fool, he is, indeed. reverend marcia dyson, you were a maven of social media. social media has provided wonderful outlets for people to articulate their views, but it's obviously showed to america the true colors of what some people think and bigots with megaphones, so to speak. so when the president interrupted sunday night football to speak in newtown, connecticut, twitter went crazy and interrupted with all kinds of racial slurs. how do we as a society confront this sort of behavior? >> well, you know, i
but let's understand, we just had an election, and the president got re-elected for the second time. which says that a majority of the american people are not swayed nor influenced by that sort of sick and sadistic thinking. what i prefer to focus on is not simply that, but the underlying disparities, the previous segment on violence, and the need for jobs for young men of color and people of all colors, in urban communities. which is, i think, the more appropriate thing for us to discuss when...
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americans elected president obama to lead, not to cast blame. the president's comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. the president, of course, saying he has offered concessions. he's offered over $1 trillion in additional spending cuts. what am i missing here? because it seems like he's up against a wall. >> yeah, some of those cuts, though, are kind of already were on the table. there were cuts, for example, in defense spending, you know, because we're not at war anymore. we're not necessarily -- you know, those trillion dollars are a little bit suspect for a lot of republicans. and i think ultimately the president is sitting there very, i think, disingenuously, you know, touting what he was able to do when he left on the table, quite frankly, mika, the one thing that could have been the real solution, the real framework to avoid all this, which was simpson-bowles. i'd still get back to that reality that this president fa
americans elected president obama to lead, not to cast blame. the president's comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. the president, of course, saying he has offered concessions. he's offered over $1 trillion in additional spending cuts. what am i missing here? because it seems like he's up against a wall. >> yeah, some of those cuts, though, are kind of already were...
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problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on to this much credibility if we have any left at all and get this job done. >> there it is. rational and perhaps even rational exuberance like the market. congressman charlie rangel, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you, doctor. >>> now let's turn to msnbc political analyst richard wolff, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com. my friend, there's more movement today than we've seen in a while, but is this just the optics? are they really trying to save face literally or is there something substantive in the offing here? >> more mov
problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on...
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that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would be minority leader and nancy pelosi would be speaker of the house again. >> if the tea party were in charge and you had your druthers, what would it be to get us over the fiscal cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year the accountability office comes out with a report details hundreds of billions in waste, fraud and duplicated services. let's start cutting first. let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we could get enough cuts in there that we could get us down to a balanced budget within a fairly short time. >>> judson phillips, great to have you on this morning, sir. thanks for yo
that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would be minority leader and nancy pelosi would be speaker of the house again. >> if the tea party were in charge and you had your druthers, what would it be to get us over the fiscal cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year...
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and now many insiders are saying the tea party is losing steam because of obama's re-election. the "new york times" made the front page with "clout diminished, tea party turns to narrower issues." and "the washington post" reports tea party stays on the sidelines as obamas, republicans in congress tackle fiscal cliff. the most visible former elected official in the tea party and, of course, chairman of freedom works tried to oust several freedom works officials this fall. in fact, according to the post, army thieves control momentarily of the group. and he brought a gun carrying aide to remove rivals within the organization. but within a week, army was out. freedom works arranged an $8 million pay page for him. $8 million. that is more than the organization's entire annual budget in some years. over in the house, several tea party allies were recently stripped of their committee assignments by speaker boehner. so there are some problems there at the top. an influential conservative is lashing out. >> the tea party is going of to look at itself. it's been so helpful to the repub
and now many insiders are saying the tea party is losing steam because of obama's re-election. the "new york times" made the front page with "clout diminished, tea party turns to narrower issues." and "the washington post" reports tea party stays on the sidelines as obamas, republicans in congress tackle fiscal cliff. the most visible former elected official in the tea party and, of course, chairman of freedom works tried to oust several freedom works officials...
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history to survive a recall election. and another nod to a republican governor. >> i cannot thank the president enough for his personal concern and compassion for our state and for the people of our state. >> reporter: new jersey governor chris christie's full-on embrace of president obama for helping sandy-ravaged new jersey came days before the election and had no noticeable effect on the presidential race, but some republicans think christie didn't have to be that efuse sieve. they'll remember if his name pops up in 2016. >> if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> reporter: from the say what category of entries comes a combo team, missouri senate candidate todd akin and richard murdoch of indiana. >> life is that gift from god, and i think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> republican dreams to take control of the senate in 2012 had dwipdalled throughout the year, but akin and maur dock prett
history to survive a recall election. and another nod to a republican governor. >> i cannot thank the president enough for his personal concern and compassion for our state and for the people of our state. >> reporter: new jersey governor chris christie's full-on embrace of president obama for helping sandy-ravaged new jersey came days before the election and had no noticeable effect on the presidential race, but some republicans think christie didn't have to be that efuse sieve....